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You're listening to the Flip Houses Like a Girl podcast, where we educate, empower and celebrate everyday women who are facing their fears, juggling family and business, embracing their awesomeness and wholeheartedly chasing their dream of flipping houses.
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Each episode delivers honest-to-goodness tools, tips and strategies you can implement today to get closer to your first or next successful house flip.
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Here's your spiky-haired breakfast taco-loving host.
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House flipping coach Debbie DeVere.
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Hey, thanks for hanging out with us today.
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In this episode, I'm going to introduce you to one of our flip sisters, diana.
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She's in Tennessee and her first 12 months of flipping houses it was just amazing.
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So three huge highlights One, she made over $150,000.
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Two, she retired her firefighter husband.
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And three, she tripled her family's income.
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What Isn't that amazing?
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Yes, it is totally amazing, and she will let you know.
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It is completely doable for you too, wherever you are.
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She's definitely a big proponent for coaching and mentoring and getting educated so that you can make smart decisions and you don't waste time trying to figure it out yourself.
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All right, without further delay, let's get into this conversation with Diana.
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You're going to love it.
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You know the thing.
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Start with your name who you are, where you are, what you were up to before you got into flipping, and are you still doing that, that sort of thing.
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Yeah, so my name's Diana.
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I'm 39 years old.
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I live in Chattanooga with my husband and our two girls.
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We have a four and a almost three-year-old.
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So that's been mostly my job for the last few years.
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I previously have been a teacher.
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I have a degree in anthropology, a master's degree in teaching, and kind of spent my 20s like traveling around and not knowing what I wanted to do.
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And every couple of years we're just like, oh, I'll be here for a little while, try this, be here for a little while, try that.
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And I've always just like, kind of like kept moving and that's kind of been my spiel is like I've been able to pivot, like if this wasn't the right relationship or if this wasn't the right job.
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I've just kind of kept looking.
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But meanwhile I felt like at 30, I was like I still don't know what I want to do.
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I don't like teaching.
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I know I want to have a family, but my husband and we moved to Chattanooga and that like was a really steadying force for me and starting our family here.
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But even that I was still like pregnant with my daughter and like taking online classes at our local community college.
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I started a Google project management certificate and that was the first time where somebody was like have you thought about project manager?
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Cause I was trying to figure out, like I'm not really good at anything, like I'm not really good at like one thing, I'm kind of more of a generalist, like, uh, I can see big picture type of things.
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So started that and I think it was maybe I was pregnant or had the kids and a girlfriend sent me like a rich dad, poor dad video and my husband and I got into that.
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You know YouTube rabbit hole, learning about passive income, and you know our minds are like what are we?
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doing Like why are we spending all our time at jobs that we hate?
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And blah, blah, blah.
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He has.
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So my husband's definitely my partner in all of this and has been along this whole train, so I'll talk about him a little bit.
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But he has more of an entrepreneurial background.
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He had started a couple like businesses with his brothers and they didn't necessarily weren't super successful, but taught him different skills.
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So he was on board basically getting into real estate.
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His brother was actually like, oh, we should look at, we're talking about passive income, we should really talk about short term rentals.
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So that that's the house that I'm.
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This bedroom I'm in is actually, um, the house that we bought with his brother and, uh, our sister-in-law, and this is the house that we got into right before I joined your program.
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So I'm like I have two babies at home.
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My husband's working full-time as a fire fighter.
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Uh, he was wrapping up a farm that they were working on.
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We fire fighter.
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He was wrapping up a farm that they were working on.
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We're like let's buy this house and renovate it ourselves and do all the work ourselves and all the decor and paint and everything which we loved.
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That part and that's definitely something I'm learning was like I love the buying of the house and the making it beautiful and and thinking about like how do we make this better for this next person?
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But the management aspect of it I don't love.
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There is nothing passive about managing short-term rental.
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No, it is high touch.
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Everything.
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Yeah, yes, and so, yeah, that's what I was like.
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We bought it in December and we put it on the market in October and we still had to refinance out of it and it's like this thing doesn't stop.
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Then it's now you have all these people coming and messages that have to get sent back and forth, and so I was like I thought this was supposed to be passive, and my dad was actually the one that was like you guys should be flipping houses.
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And we're like, no, no, no, dad, you don't know what you're talking about.
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Like we need to be doing short-term rentals.
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And I just remember, oh, so our, our county, our city, uh, banned like all new short-term rentals in the meantime.
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So we had already bought this house, we were able to get it to be a short-term rental, but in the meantime, like there goes our pipe dream of like we'll just buy five short-term rentals and like retire happily.
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And you know that didn't happen.
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So we're like, okay, we need to pivot.
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So, um, I saw an advertisement for your group and it really, really resonated with me.
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My husband's like very stubborn, I'll do it myself.
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And from his background, what he grew up seeing was like you have to do it yourself.
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You can't afford to hire people to do everything.
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You're not going to make any money if you do it that way.
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I'm like, oh yeah, well, I see other people doing it and they're not doing it all themselves.
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So like, pretty sure, we could probably learn how to do it a different way, but we'll try it your way too.
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So that's kind of been our, our spell.
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So I joined your program like right as we were ending up, this one got this refinanced, went through the whole process of all the modules and learnings and stuff and then started looking for our first house to actually flip, to sell all the modules and learnings and stuff and then started looking for our first house to actually flip to sell.
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You've since done two and you still have your short-term rental.
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Do do I remember something?
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You posting something in the group that maybe you're selling it or selling your interest in it.
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Yeah, we family members and, um, you know, trying to keep relationships and you know, yeah, well, even last summer my husband's like over here because he doesn't want to hire someone to do the.
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We have a pool and a hot tub.
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You know, this is a big place, it's a 10 person place.
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So he's over here like cleaning the hot tub every week and the pool and a hot tub you know this is a big place, it's a 10 person place.
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So he's over here like cleaning the hot tub every week and the pool.
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And just like, because we thought we would do it ourselves and because we have partners like to add in, a property manager just takes away a lot of that.
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If it was just Mike, mike, my husband and I and then the property manager, that would make sense.
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But when you keep cutting that piece of the pie, it's like is it really worth it for like this much money?
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But for right now.
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For right now we've got somebody you know handling the hot tub and stuff and so for right now we're keeping it.
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But yeah, that could change in six months.
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We'll see.
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We'll see.
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Okay, so you have since bought and renovated and sold two flips.
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Yes, take us through your first purchase, even though it's your second sale.
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Does that make sense to do it that way, or how do you think it makes sense to do?
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um, I would say just like chronologically Perfect, let's do it.
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I joined your program, started going through the modules.
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I had a great real estate agent as a friend and she was taking us.
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We started looking at houses on the MLS and this is still kind of things.
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We're still kind of crazy and going over even houses we would go to.
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We went to one house that's like hadn't been touched since 1950.
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And there were like 20 people there with somebody had already paid an inspector who's like there with his clipboard.
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We're like what is going on here?
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So we're like, okay, did that for like a month, put out some, put some offers on things, and it wasn't getting too much traction.
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But that was just such a good process of getting out there and looking at houses and putting an offer.
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So then I started looking for wholesalers, got on everybody's email list.
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They started sending me things and this house he had sent it to me.
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He followed up with me and I looked at it and compared to the other houses that we had been looking at, this house had already been demoed and the top floor it had already passed all its rough ends and the top floor was drywalled.
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It was like very clean, you know, compared to all these houses we're walking in that are full of garbage, that smell like cat urine, that like are a mess, we're like, oh, this house, we're just going to get in and get out and put some tile on it, like, yeah, this looks great.
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That house we kept for 11 months and just that was the house that we just finished.
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So lots of learnings with that one, but that's OK.
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So, biggest things we came into right away.
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It didn't have.
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It had an electrical power pole, temporary power pole in the front yard, and I didn't know what that meant.
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But we had to go through the permitting process.
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We had called the city to see like where we were in the permitting process before we even closed on that house, and they were like they couldn't tell us or I don't know.
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We just kept getting like different answers to things.
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And we talked to some people and they'd be like, oh yeah, you know it'd be fine, you just pull your final.
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And then other people would say, I don't know, it depends on your inspector, and then the people at the city.
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So once we finally, well, we can get to that.
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But, um, we put an offer.
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They were asking 195.
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We offered 185.
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We settled at 190.
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The electrical wasn't complete.
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They had told us it was complete, so we got a five grand off for that.
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So we ended up paying one 85 for it and this was a wholesale deal, wholesale Nice.
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Did somebody else already start the flip and they needed out?
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Yeah, yeah, and he was like a local guy and this kind of you know ran out of money.
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Yeah, okay, so you found it through a wholesaler and that one.
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How did you finance that so?
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originally I was going to use a hard money lender and then we had refinanced out of this house so we had some cash to bring to it and so we were going to cover some of it and use a hard money lender.
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I found a lady.
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Her terms looked good, she was recommended in another group, but we were going out of town and I was trying to get it to close before we left and she didn't close before we left.
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We go to town.
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And she was like, oh, just, we'll move it back to this day.
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And literally I spent all of that week like, okay, we're going to close on this day.
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I'm getting on the plane and she's letting me know like the last minute, like this is not going to close on Friday, it's going to have to be next week.
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And I was like, lady, we've already pushed this back once I'm.
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It was really that was my first like closings for me have been stressful.
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So I remember I got home and I love myself, like got a little upset.
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And then I called, picked up the phone and I called my dad and I told him what happened.
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I was not expecting anything from him but he was like how much do you need?
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What's the interest rate?
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Are we going to do on this?
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So, anyways, he ended up bringing, allowing us to bring cash to close.
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What did you pay?
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You paid 185.
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And what were you thinking the renovation would be?
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Okay, so we originally had thought around 80 K.
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Okay, um, I got back, I went back and looked at my like original scope of work and we were going to put in like granite countertops and do kind of like a mid range.
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Once we had got in and we relooked at okay, our square footage and our numbers, cause it had a full basement that he had just.
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Oh yeah, this is that one, yeah, yeah, okay, our square footage and our numbers because it had a full basement that he had just.
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Yeah, so both of our flips actually had full basements.
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He had already framed out the basement of this one and cleaned it out, and so he was going to do it as like a five bedroom.
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We took it down to a four bedroom, made it into like a little um apartment, mother-in-law suite kind of thing in the basement.
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So we ended up spending $135,000.
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So okay, Did you borrow purchase and renovation from your dad?
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Everything.
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No, I had a $200,000 loan from him, so that was like $185,000 plus a little bit.
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And then?
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So how did you finance the rest of things?
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Oh, was it from your cash out?
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Yeah From, yeah From us.
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From you.
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From your pocket.
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Okay, yeah From us.
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Yeah, okay From that one, yeah.
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And then so that thing took 11 months, so that thing took 11 months.
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What, what happened there?
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What what?
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Yeah, let's go through that.
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So we get in and we immediately like I have subs coming in, we're looking at it and we're getting electricians and and at that point I had talked to some what I now know as key contractors and so I had both GCs come in to look at it.
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They never really got back to me, they were busy.
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They were like you know, it'll be three months from now.
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I'm like I can't wait three months.
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Probably now they probably could have done it in three months and still been done faster, but that's okay.
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So how to keep contractors come in, and at this point my husband you know it's going to be like I'll do it, you know it's, we can do this, we just got done doing this house, like we can do this.
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So like, okay.
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So we had this key contractor come in.
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The permitting was like our, our little wrench.
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So we it took us a little while Like we realized we had to have a GC to pull, re-pull the builder's permit.
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So we called in a favor with someone that we knew that was like builder's permit.
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So we called in a favor with someone that we knew that was like you know, that's a GC, who knows my husband, who knows he does good work, like he can come and pull the permit for us.
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Yeah, so we got through that.
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Then it was the electrical and plumbing.
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And we found through the permitting office the person who pulled the original electrical permit.
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And so because we're bringing in other electricians and they seemed a little bit unsure about the whole city thing, and I'm like, okay, I'm like so let's just find the original guy that you know did it, and he came in and he was like, oh yeah, well, I didn't do the work, but you know I can do it.
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We're like, okay, cool, um, so he started working on it.
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We found a plumber that said he would come in and they started.
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We wanted to change just a couple of things.
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So they kind of redid the rough in Meanwhile.
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We got started in the outside, redid all the windows, redid all the siding, um, added a back deck, um.
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So we were trying to like do what we could.
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And then it was like we just reached a point where we were trying to pull the permit and it was.
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It was just, I don't even know, debbie, like what happened between, I would say, our rough in permits finally re-pulled maybe two or three months to get, because we ended up having a re-pull and the like.
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The electrical inspector didn't make us open walls, but the plumbing inspector did.
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So we had to reopen all the walls to redo the rough and permitting, yeah, yeah.
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And then from that point then we started going and, um, we had to re-pull, we had to put down the flooring, we had to re-pull, we had to put down the flooring.
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We had to re-pull that up because of a pipe that we changed out of vanity, from a double, from a single to a double, and the plumber didn't put the cap on the pipe and luckily I walked in.
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It had been less than an hour.
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But there's like water pouring out of the um wall and down into the basement we had.
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You know it's dry walled, it's like the flooring was done.
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So like I call my husband he's over at the other house, which is right across the street comes over, drills a hole in the floor to like get the water to go down, and like I do know where the water valve turnoff is, I just it was a weird valve and I didn't know.
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It just didn't look.
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It wasn't like you could just turn it.
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I didn't know, I don't know.
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So that was something that you know.
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We had to redo some drywall down in the basement.
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We had a toilet leak from when they installed the toilet.
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We had to redo that drywall in the basement.
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Um, I think, yeah, our plumber, our electrician, he just didn't show up.
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He just didn't come, like he did the rough in work, we got the rough in permit re-polled and then he just like got busy on other jobs and never showed up.
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And my husband and his dad and um, we have a family member who works for electrical company that like came and helped us get it done and I mean he, you know, came back over and looked at what we had done and but that was we were because we were working with the permitting department and it was taking us so long.
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I didn't want to switch plumbers or electricians again.
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Now, I know, now I would have a lot sooner, but you just want to give people the benefit of the doubt.
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I know, but that's the biggest lesson Like it it's.
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It's one of the biggest lessons we have to learn.
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I'm glad you learned it.
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You learned it way faster than I did.
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It took me like four or five years.
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So, yeah, it's hard.
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It's hard because we think, well, at least we know what we're in here, like, we know what to expect.
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They're not going to show up, or they might show up one day, you know.
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And it's like who knows, when we start this new relationship with somebody else, what's going to happen?
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Are they going to just do the same thing?
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Yeah, it's tough.
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It's tough, this whole managing people thing.
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Yeah, yes, and then when you add like not even just the plumber and the electrician, when you add in the city and the permitting, like this is a, there are a lot of relationships and like I felt like maybe the plumber didn't have a great relationship with them and they were kind of like messing with him a little bit.
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I don't know, though, and then I've also heard that the city, their website, sucks, and so the I would check in with my plumber and say hey, did you pull the permadeat?
00:18:48.467 --> 00:18:49.608
Oh yeah, I pulled it.
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Okay, well, they haven't shown up yet, and sometimes they show up like within a couple days.
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So you know, if it goes a week or two later, you know I finally had to call the inspector myself.
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He's like well, I really don't like, you know we don't like talking to the homeowners you know I prefer to talk to the plumber and I'm like but do you have our inspection?
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Like?
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And he's like no, I don't have it.
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It's like okay, well, I need to know this.
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So that was another like.
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We literally did not pass.
