Kimberly's Journey: From Stay-at-Home Mom to First Flip Profit of 55k in 4 Months

Speaker 1: 0:01

You're listening to the Flip Houses Like a Girl podcast, where we educate, empower and celebrate everyday women who are facing their fears, juggling family and business, embracing their awesomeness and wholeheartedly chasing their dream of flipping houses. Each episode delivers honest to goodness tools, tips and strategies you can implement today to get closer to your first or next successful house flip. Here's your spiky haired breakfast taco loving host, house flipping coach, Debbie DeVere.

Speaker 2: 0:40

Hey, how's it going? Today? We are going to introduce you to one of our flip sisters in the Atlanta area and her name's Kimberly. She has been a stay-at-home mom for the last eight years. She has three young children and she recently made $55,000 profit on her first flip in about four months. So she's going to walk us through that. She's going to talk to us about some of her fears and the areas where she did some learning and growing throughout her first flip. By the way, she's purchased three flips within the first six months of joining our program. So she is a doer. Listen to what she has to say, because she's out there doing it. She's chasing time freedom. Ultimately, that's what she wants. She wants to be able to spend more time with her family. This is such a great conversation. She walks us through how she found the deal, how she financed it, any issues that came up and what she thought about the mindset side of things. Yeah, we're going there, and her two biggest lessons, her two biggest takeaways that she wants listeners to get, are so dead on. All right, let's get into this conversation with Kimberly. Okay, cool, you want to start with introducing yourself and letting us know a little bit about you, who you are, where you are, if you're working currently, what you do in the world, that sort of thing.

Speaker 3: 2:25

Sure, so my name is Kimberly. I live in a suburb of Atlanta, georgia, a Northwest town called Acworth. Born and raised here, I've done a couple of stints elsewhere in Florida and New York, but for the most part, south is home. I have a great family, been married just celebrated 12 years Wow, congrats. And then we got three little ones Aw, my oldest is seven. I have a six-year-old daughter and then a three-year-old daughter. I yeah, they are my middle actually has special needs and feels like two kids in one. Just a blessing, huge blessing. But, yeah, so prior to this current life, I'm living of being a mom and a wife. I worked for Marriott Hotels for about 10 years doing sales and special events. I loved it, but just once we started having kids, decided to step back from that role and I had been staying at home completely for six years. And then, in 2019, decided to get my real estate license for the purpose of investing. Like, my husband and I were going to focus on investment properties and, after just buying and selling one home, realized how much we could save by having a license in the household, and so, to be honest, I jumped into the real estate world with the I thought I was going to do investing, but then I went to my first couple of real estate meetings at my broker and I was like man I knew from my past with Marriott. I enjoyed sales, I was good at it, and so within like a month, I was like I'm just going to focus on finding buyers and sellers and really doing real estate from that side. And they promise you that it's really flexible.

Speaker 2: 4:36

It's like living the dream. You're in full control of everything.

Speaker 3: 4:40

Yeah, it's really great for a stay at home, mom and it's really not.

Speaker 2: 4:45

Oh, it's so time intensive Because if you don't drop everything to go show that person that property, right then they will find somebody who will.

Speaker 3: 4:54

Yes, that is true, that is very true. So, anyways, after doing that for a couple of years, we were like, oh, not working, let's shift back to the investment. You know what we were originally thinking, and I had just started asking questions around my offices and other realtors and connected with a handful of people that were doing investment. What I was looking for was someone to mentor me. I was like I want to follow in your footsteps, I want to do what you're doing. I just couldn't find. What I was looking for was also all men that I was talking to Super nice, you know, but busy, like really busy. So, yeah, one night, probably a year and a half ago, I was Google searching at like midnight for women who flip houses and came across your group and started listening to the podcast. I think I got through almost all of them in like a weekend.

Speaker 2: 5:53

I love it. I love it. You binged it, yeah, awesome.

Speaker 3: 5:57

But also I'll say this so my past with Mariat I worked for some of the more luxury brand properties and just had a strong passion for the customer service that they brought to the table. I really appreciated and respected the level of detail that they had, and so when I was searching for a mentor program that's what I was looking for I was like I don't, it's not just about the money, Like I want to be bringing like a level of service and quality product to the table that I feel really good about. So and it and props to my husband because I kept searching and searching and he was like it's out there. I know it's out there, Keep looking. So yeah, so that brings me to flipping houses.

Speaker 2: 6:45

That's how you're here, that's why we're talking today. That is, yeah, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it. It's so great because, you know, there's often times that's not what we hear. We hear that that spouse is really like fighting tooth and nail, like, no, this is a bad idea. No, you shouldn't do this. You know it's like, yes, life's hard enough man.

Speaker 3: 7:21

Like be in my corner? Yeah, absolutely. Well, yeah, and I, my husband, is a wealth advisor and so he knows the value of real estate investing and he's like I'm encouraging my clients to do this Like we need to be on our own. So that's awesome that's.

Speaker 2: 7:41

that's really good to hear that wealth advisors advise for it.

Speaker 3: 7:45

Yeah, yeah, huge piece of the portfolio, yep.

Speaker 2: 7:50

That's really good to hear. Yeah, that's really good to hear. Okay. So you recently sold your first flip.

Speaker 3: 7:59

I did. I sold my first flip in March, march 29th. Sold my first. Bought my second on March 30th.

Speaker 2: 8:08

So that's right, okay, so let's go. Let's so walk us through the first flip. How did you? Well, first of all, when did you buy that?

Speaker 3: 8:19

one, so I closed on that November 28th.

Speaker 2: 8:23

Okay, oh, wow. So almost four months to the day, pretty much, yeah, okay, so November 28th, and how did you find it?

Speaker 3: 8:31

I found it off of the MLS. So all of the properties I started making offers on once I'd gotten through some of my training were on MLS properties and I it was originally on the market for 450. I put an offer in for 350. And just they, you know, didn't accept it. But they did reach out and the agent was really great and just touched base and then, like every two weeks, they continued to lower their price on the MLS and I just would reach back out to them and say, hey, I'm still interested, and so we didn't come to an agreement till the beginning of November. So it was a, you know, slow process in the midst of you know I'm still making other offers, okay, but yeah, so close.

Speaker 2: 9:22

Yeah, what did you end up buying it for? I got it for $350. That's awesome. See that just right there. There's two huge lessons already. One you got to make offers. You're out there making offers. It doesn't work without making offers. Then two you're making your offer. It doesn't matter what the asking price is. That's just a number. So just because you're 100K under their asking price doesn't mean you're wrong.

Speaker 3: 9:57

Yeah, no, it's so true. I think the kicker for me was that I had walked another property previously and I didn't make an offer on it because I thought my offer was going to be too low. I kept watching it on MLS and then I saw it close below what my offer was going to be at yeah. So then I just started. Well, I'm going to make offers, yeah forget it.

Speaker 2: 10:23

I'm just making offers. It's not lowballing, right? I hate that term lowballing. It's based on data. It's based on data. We're not just randomly throwing a 100 grand less than asking price offer just to do it. That's just where it landed on that one.

Speaker 3: 10:42

Yes, I was representing myself as an agent. I did with each offer that I put in I just said, hey, I'm a new investor. Like this is where my number is coming from. Like because I knew as an agent how it can be a little bit offensive at times to get like a feels like a slap in the face offer. But I felt like by being friendly and having some data to back it up, it was like okay, exactly, people can really argue with it.

Speaker 2: 11:05

You can't. You can't argue with the facts. So yeah, presenting the data is huge and they can do with it what they want and it doesn't just if they say, no, oh well, you're not being rejected, there's nothing personal, it just doesn't match what they need. Until they do and they come back and they say, hey about that offer. Yes, how long? Okay, so when did you make that first offer on that property?

Speaker 3: 11:35

I put in the first offer in July. Yeah, so I just kept following up. For what is that? Almost three months, yeah. Four months, four months, yeah, yeah, because I didn't close until the end of November. So, yeah, july, august, september, october, yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:51

That's amazing. That's amazing. Yes, make your offer, stick to it and follow up. Yes, love it so much. Goodness there. Okay. So how did you finance the purchase and the renovations?

Speaker 3: 12:05

Yep. So I ended up going with all private money Nice, and I had interviewed several hard money lenders, like I knew those numbers and things. And again this is where my sweet husband jumps in is that he sees me crunching the numbers one day and I'm like trying to decide what hard money lenders and he was like, before you go with a hard money lender, that's a total stranger. He's like we have to present these options to our families, you know. He's like it's too good of a return to not get people we love involved, which, ironically, like I was really nervous about it, I felt more comfortable and less vulnerable going to strangers. I love it. This is so good. Yeah, so yes. So we ended up going with one private money lender for the purchase and then one for the renovation. We did a straight return of 10% and then for the purchase we did a profit share.

Speaker 2: 13:13

Got it. So what's really cool there is what we say so often, we try to remind people so often, is in your husband nailed it Right. How can we not offer this opportunity to people we know and love? When it's that great of a return versus, oh my God, it feels really scary to offer it to them and I'm asking for help and I don't want it to be weird and it's like no, you're giving them a 10% return on their money, If not greater. You can't do that. You can't find that within a few months. You cannot find that anywhere?

Speaker 3: 13:51

Yeah, no, that was. He was like I do that for a living. He was telling you if he's like a better return than you know, especially looking at the timeline, yeah, and there's an asset, yes, and I mean, just to be honest, it's also like I found. Now I'm like man, it's also I got to skip all the paperwork of like the hard money, so I'm even like willing to pay a little bit more for that.

Speaker 2: 14:19

Now I'm like, oh, there's a, there's a benefit to me too, and it's so speed, right, yeah, you can be quicker, more nimble, having that money upfront versus doing a draw request and waiting for it. Yeah, totally, I love private money for the rehab, for sure, at the minimum. Okay, awesome, all right, so going into it. Okay, so you paid $350. What were you anticipating the renovations to come in at?

Speaker 3: 14:46

So I was wanting to keep my renovation at $85,000. And so I walked four contractors whenever I was under contract and two of them ironically didn't get back to me, which is like it just blows my mind. But then both of them and I told him everything I wanted. I was like this is my first. I was really honest, upfront with both of them. Like this is my first house. They were doing this is every. I have no idea how much stuff costs, I'm just going to tell you. And yeah, so got the bids back from them. One of them was at 100,000 and one of them was at 115. And so went back and asked both of them if they could revise their quote. Like I just said, if I take this out, this out, this out, like how do we get to 85? That's what I need to be at? And then I said I really I don't do anything less than 100,000. He was like it's just not which you know. That's fine. I was appreciated his honesty, yeah. And so then the other one, who I was more familiar with because I had had my brother had used him on his house and so I knew the work he had done he said he was like, yeah, we can take out a couple of things, get you to 85. And so I will say, on that front, though so he starts run. He's literally demoing like the day I'm signing the papers and then, like a week or two later, I go in and one of the things that I had taken out of my original request was to take a wall out and like open up the space, because he, you know, told me he's going to have to have a support beam and just the cost and right Anyways. So I go in and the wall is gone and he was there and I was like my gosh. I said I told you I don't have the money for this. Oh, no. And he was like Miss Kimberly. He said I've seen your numbers and I had sent him my spreadsheet and, like my you know proposed ARB and things, and he was like you're just. He's like you're way, way, way too low. And he said I'm jumping in with you. And he said I'm doing all you asked for to begin with and if you sell over a certain price, then you can pay me the extra 15,000. Interesting, yeah, so that's what we did. And you know, did he get the extra 15,000? He did, yeah. So we picked at a price that we would get over and we went well over that and so, yeah, so it was good.

Speaker 2: 17:34

Were there any issues along the way? I was trying to remember, like you, posting any issues or anything with contractors or surprises, and I don't remember anything.

Speaker 3: 17:46

We didn't and I have to say that, like that's one of my mindset pieces that I worked on throughout the project is that it went so well and I almost kind of felt guilty for that. That's weird to say, but like you see all these shows and you even being in the group and talking to other women that are having, you know, some crisis during their flips, and it just went really really well and that's okay.

Speaker 2: 18:14

Yeah, I get the guilty thing. It's okay for it to go, okay, it's okay for it to not be difficult, it's okay. And even sometimes, when things do come up, you know especially more exposure to it it's like, oh, that's no thing, whereas you know at the start it might be like, oh my God, this is such a big deal. But then when you get into it it's like it's actually not a big deal, like it's gonna be fine, so. But yeah, I get that whole.

Speaker 3: 18:43

That was a little bit too easy, like right, like, oh God, waiting for the other shoe to drop, that whole foreboding joy that Brene Brown talks about, yeah, yes, but yeah, so everything I mean the only I'd say that we didn't have to have to replace all the electrical, but he was still able to be in budget to do that because we had opened up the walls so much that he was like it's not difficult for me to get in there and do it.

Speaker 2: 19:12

So yeah, so it went really good Okay so the rehab budget was 85, it ended up being 100 because he did some extra stuff, but you wouldn't have had to have paid it if he didn't hit a certain number, yeah, or if the sales price didn't hit a certain number. Okay, cool, how long was how long between you buying the property and you putting it on the MLS for sale? It was 11 weeks. I think, wow, that's fantastic for that budget, like that's great.

Speaker 3: 19:48

Yeah, yeah, he was really fast, that's great.

Speaker 2: 19:52

And then, okay. So when you bought the property, what were you projecting based on data at the time, the ARB to be Okay that's a great question and my answer is entertaining.

Speaker 3: 20:08

So when I was running my numbers, like when I was doing the analyzing on not just this property but a lot of properties, I was not trusting the ARBs and I was putting my ARBs in really really low and therefore then my offers were really really really low. I had put my ARB for this particular property as 490, despite the fact that, like all the, I've had probably five comps that would support 550. It will probably continue to always be a learning for me of like trust the ARB, like trust the data, trust the comps, and but that's the piece that feels so personal and emotional. It's easy to you know the purchase price and the renovations and all of that like I don't get as emotional about. But Mm-hmm. I get that.

Speaker 2: 21:03

I get that Okay. So you went into it with 490 being your ARB. What did you list it for when you went to sell it?

Speaker 3: 21:16

We listed it at 550. Okay, you know what all the original ARBs supported. We sold at 540.

Speaker 2: 21:28

That's awesome. You went under contract Quickly.

Speaker 3: 21:32

Yeah, yes, and so we went under contract in three days, I think, and a lesson learned for me on that not that I feel like I would have done anything different this first time, but maybe moving forward is that I went on the market over a school holiday here and a very, very rainy weekend and I accepted the first offer that I got and then I had like two backup offers at full price after people kept seeing it for that first week that they were in due diligence. So, yeah, so learning lesson in that stuff like burden hand Amen, amen.

Speaker 2: 22:17

It's invaluable, amen. So I have friends who can leave properties on the market for months because they're gonna get that price and they know they're gonna get it and they're just gonna wait. That makes me want to hurl. Yeah, it stresses me out so badly that I'm just like I that's, yeah, I'm not gonna wait. I'm like all right, let's work, let's work on this. And it's like dang it.

Speaker 3: 22:43

But I get that. But also, like every day you're on the like every day cost much, so that I'm like, even if I make, and this person that I had the offer from also was paying all closing costs. So I'm like I might get a full offer but then have to play closing cost and then I'm about at the same Right.

Speaker 2: 23:02

Exactly, exactly. Yeah, I get that, I totally get that. Yeah, that is awesome. Okay, so bought it for 350, put 100K into it, yes, and put it on the market for 550, it sold for 540. What ended up being the profit?

Speaker 3: 23:21

About 50,000. So 50,000, I think 55 total.

Speaker 2: 23:27

Uh-huh, got it. That's awesome, that's huge, that's your 10%.

Speaker 3: 23:31

Yes, yes, it was all the numbers that you promised would work.

Speaker 2: 23:37

Look at that.

Speaker 3: 23:40

I have to figure out for myself $55,000 profit in about four months time. Yes, and I will add that, like just for any other listeners, that I ultimately am a stay at home mom, like I. My kids are in school, my youngest is in preschool, so I have maybe like 15 hours a week to like the vote to this, not that even all 15 of those hours go to this. I'm volunteering at school and I'm you know. So, yeah, it can be done.

Speaker 2: 24:15

It can be done Absolutely. We all have things going on Like don't put it off. Stop putting things off that we want to do. Stop doing that. Yes, that is awesome. Okay, what did you learn about yourself throughout this process?

Speaker 3: 24:30

So, man, so much, like so much. But I think the biggest thing I learned and it was a hard thing for me to learn was that, like I got into this because of the flexibility that I provided with my family, but, and after being a stay at home mom for, you know, six years, like, I realized, well, what I just said is true. This can be done in almost no time, in a week, if you just do what you need to do, like I want to work and, and so I think that was probably like as my husband and I wrestled over the last, you know, couple months of like I want to have more time to devote to this, and it doesn't mean that I'm a bad mom, it doesn't mean that, you know, I'm greedy, like it, just it's it's good for my soul and and that's good and that's, you know, healthy and and so I think that's been like the biggest thing of like it's okay, like to want to work like and and I'm better for it.

Speaker 2: 25:42

So yeah, that's huge. I think that is shared, that in that way. I think that's really huge. Yeah, again, it's, it's okay, it's okay. It's okay that your first flip wasn't a struggle. It's okay that you want that, you enjoy and want to work. It's okay that you want something that isn't, you know, 24 or seven around the kids. It's okay, yeah, but but I get why you're, why you say that? Because society, right, it's like oh yeah, you, you are so lucky that you get to be around your kids 24, seven, sure, but dang man, it's also nice to have an identity separate.

Speaker 3: 26:28

Yes, Absolutely Like 100%. That is, yeah. It's so interesting because I did listen to so many of your podcasts and so many people in the group who are working like such rigorous jobs and and this is an outlet for them to step away from that and I was I was on it from a little bit different mindset of like I still want to be flexible but I also want to have work to do, and I posted a little bit ago on the group and that the thing I'm still working on in the learning lesson is that, because it is so flexible, can be easy to constantly put it on the back burner. Yes, yes, and I'm like, okay, I I was volunteering at the kids school three days a week and I was, you know, going to coffee with friends and and all of those things are great, but, like, if you also want to grow your business, you have to be sitting down and putting time into your business.

Speaker 2: 27:31

Yes, how are you going to do that? Are you going to time block, or what are you going to do?

Speaker 3: 27:36

Yes, time block and then moving next school year. We got some extra childcare help and so yeah, so I the way I kind of set it up was that I just actually this morning I just closed on my third property and so I kind of wanted to have those in motion for the summer, because the finding the properties takes the longest for me.

Speaker 2: 28:03

You've literally found free in a few months. I love that. I love that we are so funny.

Speaker 3: 28:11

We're like oh gosh, it's like Contract writing and you know, but I gotcha. But so I wanted to kind of I knew that I can, I can balance my kids more when I'm on the you know Renault side of things thing come with me the properties, they can be there while the GC is there and things. So I wanted to have that set up going into the summer. Okay.

Speaker 2: 28:33

So that's a fantastic first flip. Those are awesome lessons that you've shared Like. This is such a great podcast. Oh, I want to touch briefly on the other two. So you bought your second one the day after you sold your first one. Did you also find that on the MLS? I did.

Speaker 3: 28:53

I found out.

Speaker 2: 28:55

I love that. You just make offers, like if there's any message that anybody takes away. I want you to take two things away from this call, from this podcast. I want you to take away it's okay. However it unfolds, it's okay. Whatever you want, it's okay. And then B make offers, just go make offers.

Speaker 3: 29:13

Yes, okay, make offers, make offers, make offers. And yeah, so that I started making offers when I listed my first one. So I knew that I'd have about 30, 45 days. So I started making offers when I listed my first one and went under contract that next day Lesson learned again to anyone. So I hadn't failed to set up a bank account for my LLC even though you said to do it Detail, we don't always listen and I had failed to set up an LLC. It was a bank account for my LLC, so when I got my check for closing on the first house, I could not deposit it.

Speaker 1: 29:59

Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3: 30:01

Yeah. So go set up your bank accounts. Set up your bank account Because it ended up being a huge hassle, because, like, I'm needing to pay my investors back, I'm needing to pay my contractors extra money, I'm needing money to close on my bank account, right, like so, oh, that's hilarious, right. So I had to set up a bank account, set it up, but yeah, but I found that one on the MLS and it had been another investor had it and had it had been on the MLS for about a year, got that one and I just made an offer. Made an offer, yeah, and this time I was actually pretty close to the list price. He had continued to lower it, like over the past year. So I ended up being pretty close to list price and but also I think people were shying away from it, like because it was a total good job, like it was it just it needed a lot of work, and so I think that you know, people, even other investors, were just shying away from that.

Speaker 2: 31:03

Yeah, I like those. Yeah, I like those that people shy away from. It's like, ok, awesome, cool, yes.

Speaker 3: 31:09

Yes, well, and I learned from my contractor. He was like, honestly, kimberly, he was like I can do more for less because when everything's open, yes, it's easier. Yes, and that was a huge, huge eye opener. That's what.

Speaker 2: 31:24

I'm telling you guys yes, it's easier, I promise, yeah, I promise it's easier. I know it feels bigger and scarier, but it's, it's so much easier. Those cosmetic ones are so sneaky for me sometimes. Yeah, ok, and then so that one's been going a couple, maybe a month and a half now. Yeah, how's that moving? Is that moving along?

Speaker 3: 31:51

It is yes, so it is. Kitchen is in, bathrooms are done. The windows were getting installed today, so we concrete is getting port like we're redoing the driveway Not getting done next week. So I'm probably four weeks away from listing that. I think Nice.

Speaker 2: 32:07

OK, and then you? What did you just say? You just bought number three.

Speaker 3: 32:12

I closed on the third one this morning. Again, I just want to give a shout out to my husband because I was analyzing these numbers on this third one last week and I was like my ARV, I was just going way, way, way too low. And he was like let me see your cops. And so yeah, so pulled the trigger and that one I got from a wholesaler Nice, oh good which I was really nervous about. I will be honest, I was nervous about working with the wholesaler. I don't know why that. Actually they're not scary and it was a great experience.

Speaker 2: 32:52

What were you worried about?

Speaker 3: 32:56

I think I was worried. Well, I was. I was maybe not worried, but I was not familiar with the process of like assignment versus like double closing and I was worried about additional expenses that I, you know, I'm really familiar with, like an MLS closing or conventional. So I was worried about being caught off guard by things I couldn't plan for. Got it yeah, and it was OK. It was yeah. So we ended up doing assignment. I was from is it New Western? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:30

Oh, and they did an assignment, not a double closing.

Speaker 3: 33:32

They did, which I again. I did not know that that was a big deal, but after doing it I'm like, oh, that did save me.

Speaker 2: 33:39

Yeah, that's interesting. I wonder why they chose that route. That's really interesting. They usually do double closing.

Speaker 3: 33:46

So I asked again Just goes back to never hurts to ask, because they were pretty dead set on the double closing and I kept trying to negotiate down on my price. Really, my negotiating was only coming down to like five or six thousand dollars and she was like let me just see if we can do an assignment. I know this guy, he might work with us. Just get it off his hands and so yeah, nice.

Speaker 2: 34:15

Just asked. Just asked I love it, man, you're doing it. You're just doing it. Are you having?

Speaker 3: 34:22

fun I am, I'm really enjoying it and I have to say that as well. Like another learning for me is that you know, gosh it. Just your program is really, really good in terms of the mindset. You say it all the time. And like I realized, like the negative self talk, like we just have a lot of negative self talk, and one of the things that I was doing was, like a lot of people, naturally. So I think we're asking me like well, couldn't you save more money if you did the work yourself? And like have you ever thought about putting in the elbow grease in? And like just getting in there. And so I kind of started talking or making myself feel like well, I'm not really flipping houses because I'm not the one or doing the work, like I'm not lifting a hammer and knocking out walls, and and it was I brought that, I think, to your group, to the Facebook group, and I think it was this that was like and your lane, like you're really good at sourcing it, you're really organized and you've got your spreadsheets, you know. And so just realizing like the value I was bringing to the table, like I don't have to be doing the, I am doing work. It is really important. Nobody these contractors would have a job if I wasn't doing it. You know, like absolutely so, yeah, so I'd say that that was just a huge mindset shift of like talking to myself more positively, of like I am doing this. It might look different than what some people think about when you say you're flipping houses, but I'm doing it.

Speaker 2: 36:01

Interesting. So also, what I would add is if you're there physically doing the work, you've given yourself a job and it doesn't meet what you said you want. You want the time freedom, you want to be able to do this and not be tied to it. You can't do that and also have to do the work in order for the thing to get done. Yes, absolutely 100%, 100%, I think, honestly. So whenever anybody says something like anything to us, it's coming from their own stuff, right? Whatever it is they're saying, whether it's positive or negative or in between, it's based on their own experiences and their own stuff and their own like what's going on in here. And so a lot of people are trained to be employees. We're not trained to be business owners. So we think, oh, we have to do the thing, go do the thing. Never, I know like that's not at all. I don't want to have to. I want to actually enjoy being a business owner and not having to be there 24 seven. So I think it's an interesting. It's interesting that that you were having that and that people were kind of saying things like that. It's interesting. It's about them, it's not about you. Yeah, but I get it, yes.

Speaker 3: 37:26

And it's funny because in the flip side, my husband, when I was like, well, let's get back into the investing, he goes here's the deal. He said I want us to do houses. I never want to lift a finger.

Speaker 2: 37:36

Yeah, exactly, exactly. And let's employ people and let them do what they love to do and they can get paid for it, and everybody's happy yeah and I have to say that has been also a learning is that I would rather delegate.

Speaker 3: 37:57

So I'm higher a stager, I will gladly pay the GC fee instead of having to manage subcontractors Just for me and where I'm at right now, those are the decisions that make the most sense for our family, and does it not? Every, not all savings and profit is like dollars, oh for sure, and so it's like saving on my sanity and time and energy, and absolutely 100%.

Speaker 2: 38:35

Such a good reminder there. It is not just money. Yeah, such good stuff. This has been so good, yeah. Was there anything we didn't touch on that you wanted to make sure to get in?

Speaker 3: 38:51

No, I think that that was pretty much it and I just yeah, it's saying that I know from listening to your podcast and from being on the Facebook group. Like we touched on this at the beginning, but like so many of us are afraid to chat with our closest people about this. And yeah, just another voice in the crowd saying I was afraid of those same things, like I was super nervous to tell my parents, my in-laws and my siblings and it's like you'd be shocked, like they're your biggest I mean not only biggest investors, but biggest supporters and and it's been fun, like it's been something. That's kind of like my dad it's awesome he comes out with me to see houses and I love it. It's fun. Yeah, so, yeah, so it is good.

Speaker 2: 39:44

Usually it doesn't go the way we think it's going to go. When we expect bad, you know, expect bad feedback or expect pushback on something. Sometimes it does, but it usually doesn't. We usually build it up in our heads to be something that it just doesn't end up being.

Speaker 3: 40:03

So true, so true. I really do. I appreciate your group, I the I will reiterate like the mindset piece of it is, and I'll tell you what got me first is that the mindset piece in one of the lessons was on like what your thoughts on money? Yes, how do you think about money? And and that was probably like the first, like ding, ding, ding in my head and I was like, oh, this is going to be good.

Speaker 2: 40:29

Yes, it's important we hear things growing up. He doesn't grow in trees. What are we doing? Air conditioning the entire neighborhood, you know, like things about scarcity and lack and and not like that's what we hear. And so it soaks in. Everything is mindset, everything comes back to mindset. Everything, everything, everything.

Speaker 3: 40:52

And I I will be the first to admit I may continue like I shared in the group, but like I'm like it doesn't come natural to me, Like, yeah, reading, you know, positivity books, you know those don't come natural to me but also knowing that it is a muscle and you can work on it and it has been huge so yeah. So thank you, Thank you for creating that space, Thank you for being an answer to like what I was looking for and, yeah, it's been really positive.

Speaker 2: 41:27

Thank you. Thank you for those kind words, thanks for being a part of it and thank you for engaging. It really is such a great space because we all co-create it and the things that you add to the group is somebody benefits from. You get comments and likes and all of that, but you also have people's eyes on it and you don't even know you're impacting them, because they don't like or comment or anything. They're lurking. So you're making an impact and we appreciate your engagement in the group. You're awesome. Well, thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah, you're killing it, girl. You're making smart choices and you've got a good guy in your corner there.

Speaker 3: 42:09

So that's awesome Data and spreadsheets. Data and spreadsheets Exactly.

Speaker 2: 42:13

So fun, so fun and make offers, and make offers, and make offers. Period and a story, awesome, all right. Thanks for hanging out with me today, kimberly. I loved connecting with just you one-on-one and getting to know you better.

Speaker 3: 42:28

Me too. Thank you so much, Debbie. You have a wonderful day and I will be in touch. See you in the group All right, bye.

Speaker 2: 42:36

I loved it so good. I mean really. Just so many great little morsels of truth, and your honesty and your transparency are just super inspiring. Thank you so much for sharing part of your story with us, Kimberly. All right. So if you're a stay-at-home mom, if you're a busy working mom, if you're a whatever you are and you want to be chasing this dream, but you don't think you can, that's all in your head. Those are stories you're telling yourself. Of course you can. We always have time for things that are really important to us. Check that, okay, all right. So if you want our help, this is exactly what we do. We help women go from I have no clue what I'm doing to oh my gosh, I can't believe I just flipped my first house. If you want to see if we'd be a good fit to work together, go to herfirstflipcom, fill out an application and then schedule a call with our team. Okay, until next time. Go out there, flip houses like a girl, leave people in places better than you find them and make it a great day. Bye, y'all, bye.