Aug. 10, 2022

Long Distance House Flip & Inheriting a Tenant


In this episode, we're interviewing one of our FlipSisters Jenny who lives in Colorado. She remotely flipped a townhouse in North Carolina for her first flip! 

She and her husband bought this property to use as a rental, and they inherited a tenant... which usually leads to interesting things, but this was a first for me! 

We talk about:

  • How she found the property
  • How she financed the deal
  • How she managed a flip from several states away
  • The most important part of the process
  • The challenges that came with the inherited tenant
  • Facing the fears she felt


...and so much more! 


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Transcript

You're listening to the flip houses like a girl podcast where we educate, empower and celebrate everyday women who are facing their fears juggling family and business, embracing their awesomeness and wholeheartedly chasing their dream of flipping houses. Each episode delivers honest to goodness tools, tips and strategies you can implement today to get closer to your first or next successful house flip. Here's your spiky hair to breakfast taco loving host house flipping coach Debbie DeBerry!

 

Debbie: 

Hey there, thanks for hanging out with us today. So it's been a minute since I've released an episode. It's been a few weeks. Why? Because I've been traveling, I ran away. I fled the heat in Austin and went to Santa Fe for a couple of weeks. And that was beautiful, such great weather. And then I went to Alabama and Tennessee. And neither of those places did I avoid heat, but it was summer vacation. And we made memories hung out with the kid a time. And it's time to get back to school. Right. So all of those things that you wanted to accomplish this summer, and you didn't get around to let it go. Hmm. All right. Did you create some awesome memories? Did you spend some time with friends and family? Perfect. That's the point. Right? That's what we're chasing? Is that connection? It's already here. So just like I told my flip sisters recently, in an email, don't shoot on yourself, if you didn't accomplish all the things if you didn't take all the actions that you wanted to take, oh, well let it go and move on. All right. Give yourself some grace. We are human after all. So that said, let's have a conversation with Jenny, one of our flip sisters who is in Fort Collins, Colorado. And she recently completed her first flip to rent in a different state. So she managed it from Colorado, and she bought a property in North Carolina. So we're going to dig into the things she learned and the interesting experience she had with a tenant that she inherited. This was a first for me, so you definitely want to hear it. And then a weird situation with an alarm company. It was such a frustrating thing that happened and some other stuff. So let's go. Let's get into this conversation with Jenny. Let's start with the usual way with a little introduction. First name where you are a little bit of your background, like what do you do in the world?

 

Jenny: 

Okay, I am Jenny. I live in Fort Collins, Colorado, which is about an hour and a half do north of Denver. I live in an area of town called the old town which is full of just historic bungalows. And that is kind of where my my heart is when it comes to real estate and refurbishing and that's kind of what what really sparked my interest in getting involved with the program. My husband, Mike, he is in the construction industry and has been for a very long time. So he kind of sees like a strange back end of the industry because he works with plumbers and mechanical companies and on the sales side. And so he's you know, being in Fort Collins we always know like, where a new brewery or distilleries going in because nine times out of 10 He's like sold some of the parts or something like that, you know, so it's kind of interesting to hear his perspective. But, um, as far as he's he's been insanely supportive as far as like, me being involved in this program. And you know, I talk with him all the time about what I'm up to what I'm learning and what's going on. So yeah, so support. He's Oh, yeah, he's he's great. And as far as we go, it's just so we don't have kids. We have two dogs, which are kind of like you know, very children. And a buck and Otto and they are they're very sweet. And they they also love living in Old Town and, and finding dog buddies and Kid buddies and stuff like that. As far as what I do in the world. I am primarily a freelance graphic designer and marketing professional. And then I also teach at art CSU in the Journalism Department. Oh, so yeah, it's it's very fun. It's been very interesting the past couple years, but I, but in the end, I just really love it. It's, it's a lot of fun. I've been doing that in various capacities for the past, I guess 10 years ish, 10 or 12 years. And it's, it's been really cool to kind of just see the department change and evolve with with trends and times and stuff like that. And then I guess kind of a little addendum to like, what my my time pegs for getting involved with with the flip sisters was is my parents asked me to manage a renovation on a rental property that they have here in Fort Collins. And, um, you know, I grew up my dad's and architects and did a lot of his own project management. And so I grew up on job sites, I know exactly what that looks like. And they were like, we know you can do this just, you know, be your, the local. So so get this done. And I was just like, it's something had always had in the back of my head. And from that moment, I was like, Yeah, I got to do more of this. Like, this is great. And then Angel, and Michelle actually visited the rental when it was like, just about complete. And then you know, and I knew that they were in the program. And so they both were like, Yeah, Jenny, you gotta just, you got to do this. And so they convinced me they twisted my arm and, and the rest is history.

 

Debbie: 

I love it. I love it. Okay, so are you you're still doing like, is your main thing? The marketing stuff? It's, um, both the teacher

 

Jenny: 

kind of both. It changes like right now it is because school is not in session. Really? So sure. So yeah, it switches.

 

Debbie:

Okay, so you joined the program. And when did you join? In March? Okay, so you joined and your plan was to get a rental?

 

Jenny: 

Yeah. Okay. And we we already had a rental. And so it was kind of like my hesitation is because we were looking at getting another one for sure. And then eventually flipping something, and then also kind of like reorganizing all of our stuff.

 

Debbie: 

Yep. Got it. Okay. So, you live in Fort Collins, Colorado. You just finished your renovation on a flip to rent in North Carolina? Yeah. And you chose North Carolina because you've got family in the area? Let's talk about, okay, let's break it down. You that's how you chose the area because you were wanting to target something that was near your family? Obviously, you would use it yourself? Or is it a long term? I should ask, is it a long term rental? Or is it a short term rental? Or how are you? What are you using with that?

 

Jenny: 

It's right now long term.

 

Debbie: 

Okay, when you bought it? Was the property vacant? Or did you inherit a tenant?

 

Jenny: 

I inherited a tenant. And that's kind of came with its own baggage.

 

Debbie: 

Yeah. How did you buy the property? How did you finance it? Did you just get a traditional conventional loan.

 

Jenny: 

So what we did was, um, the the market out there was getting really, really heating up as we were starting to make offers. And we submitted four or five offers that were just, we weren't even close. And so when it got to the point where we submitted an offer that was that lost to a cash offer, that was the same amount, we're like, Alright, forget this. Let's let's HELOC let's, let's do something so we have enough cash on hand. And so we did that. And that's how that gave us the edge on on this property.

 

Debbie: 

Okay, so you got a HELOC on your primary? You were able to pull out a bunch of equity and then use you were then a cash buyer.

 

Jenny: 

Yeah, exactly. Okay.

 

Debbie: 

What month did you close on the property?

 

Jenny: 

We closed in May. Okay. Toward the end of May.

 

Debbie:

Okay. So alright, so you paid cash. And it's a condo, right or like a townhouse?

 

Jenny:

It's yeah, it's kind of a townhouse style two story.

 

Debbie:

Yeah, yeah, that's what that's what made me think it was more townhouse it. Okay. So when you bought it were you planning on? While there was a tenant in place? Were you planning on doing renovations or what was your plan?

 

Jenny: 

So originally, our plan was to keep the tenant in place. Our he was at the at the beginning he was kind of touchy as far as like, letting people in like really resistant to the idea that the condo was going to sell. Yeah. Then our realtor who's a Amazing, talked with him and explained, like, you know, this is this is what they're doing is his investment property and you know, they have no desire to kick you out, you know, they will raise the rent but you know, explained all those things. And we were willing to leave them in there for a year was our initial thought. And then after a year, go in and and shine everything up.

 

Debbie:

About four days

 

Jenny: 

into the due diligence period, the tenant got arrested, which kind of changed the trajectory of that whole line of thought, and lead to a whole bunch of other chaos.

 

Debbie:

Okay, so you buy a property with a tenant, you're inheriting that lease, you're inheriting the tenant. When was their lease expiration?

 

Jenny: 

So funny thing is they were month to month slash we learned later didn't really have a lease or a deposit or any of those debates. Oh, super. Okay, cool. Yeah.

 

Debbie: 

Cool. Cool. All right. So four days into your due diligence, your soon to be tenant is arrested. Yeah. And then what happens

 

Jenny: 

so that our primary immediate concern was that the day that he was arrested, is the day before. My realtor and the general contractor were supposed to go through and put together a list for renovations. And the tenant was the only only person in air quotes with a key to the condo. And so that couldn't really happen, because his key was with his personal effects and county lockup. So we, he cancelled the appointment for the next day, and instead set a call with the selling agent and the seller. Yeah, we were trying to figure out like, a lot about like, Okay, well, how do we move forward was this mean for everything else, and it was got interesting, but, um, so they, our realtor had the call with the selling agent and the seller, and initially, the seller basically did not care that we couldn't get in, and was just being super resistant about, you know, like, I don't, I don't have a tea, I can't let you guys in and she was being really kind of not party to the cause at all. And what it boiled, what it boiled down to was, finally, our realtor kind of dropped the hammer and said, You are in breach of contract right now. And they need to get in. So you need to extend the due diligence period. And so after that conversation wrapped about less than an hour, after that, I got the amendment to the contract, extending due diligence for a week, and then a key materialized magically, the next day out of thin air. Wow. And so our realtor was able to and he took that opportunity to get in, and just kind of get the lay of the land and see what we were going to be up against. And, you know, tenant had no intent of moving out at that point in time. And so of course, there was all kinds of stuff in the house. And he was able to get a firmer grasp on things like, well, now the dishwasher needs to be replaced, you know, things like that, you know, and so, so that was that was good that he got in before the GC and so, yeah.

 

Debbie:

Okay, so you're finally able to do your due diligence. And, and then what happens when you you, you gather your information, what happens next,

 

Jenny: 

we get the estimate from the contractor, everything looks good. And we decide a couple of things, you know, we initially decided that the downstairs was going to be painted because the walls were like, literally like black chalkboard peed on the bulk of the surfaces. And so we're like this has to go. And so we're gonna hire pros to handle that. And then it made some decisions like that, you know, in addition to lining up like, you know, the, the air conditioner, people and you know, looking into cleaning services, all that kind of stuff. Yep. And so we go through due diligence and are still moving forward. And so then we'll make plans to head out there even though they had offered a remote close because it was a cash deal. We offered to go out there for the closing date. And you stayed with with Marcus parents for the weekend, and then all four of us drove over to Wilmington, on the closing date to you know, just be there and check out the property. And the arrangement was that that was a Tuesday. And so the the deal was that we're gonna go there Tuesday. And then Micah had a flight out Wednesday at noon. And then I was just gonna stick around for the rest of the week and just kind of get things done. And we had been in the meantime, we had been in touch with the tenants sister, who had been kind of the family member put in charge of handling all of his his details while he was in County lockup. And so our understanding was the weekend before we were to get into Wilmington. She was going to move everything out of the house, or at least most things like she was going to work to that end.

 

Debbie: 

Okay, so he so the deal was he was moving out.

 

Jenny: 

Yes, yeah. Okay, we're removing him out actively.

 

Debbie:

Because got it. Okay. There's no lease the month like there's nothing. So yep, he's, he's going to, he's going to be removed. Okay. So she is there, or supposed to be moving out his items?

 

Jenny: 

Yeah. And so we get into the House on Tuesday and realize that none of that happened at all. Like, he still has clothes everywhere. Like, they even told us like, oh, yeah, well, all the all the TVs have been pulled off a wall that was false. You know, that just nothing had been done. Nothing.

 

Debbie: 

Like you wouldn't know. Like, it's weird while he was lying about.

 

Jenny: 

Yeah, it was so bizarre. And so, um, we spent our first handful of hours in the house literally just pulling everything downstairs into the front room, just to make it easier for whoever showed up to, to get it done. Because now they were like, well, it's gonna be this coming weekend. And I was like, okay, that's not gonna work, because I leave Saturday. Yeah. And so as we're doing this negotiation, you know, finally I told my, my realtor, I was like, just tell them that work starts tomorrow. And so we need to have everything out. Yeah. And so, um, you know, that day we that was what that day was. And then we also met with the property manager that afternoon, who was still like, really encouraged by, you know, the state of the condo location, everything like that. And so we, we felt good about that. And then, that next day, to her credit, the sister rallied like the entire family to come and help move things out. And so, so we, we, you know, Michael left, and I just kind of dealt with family and like helped out and stuff like that and separated things into like, the pile that got junk was going to pick up versus the pile of things that are going with them and all that kind of stuff. And the GC sent me over there that afternoon. So we we could way harder eyes on it. And I informed them, okay, now, now your painters have a bigger job. Because now that I've seen it, let's paint the whole thing. So that was that was a positive change. And then that next morning, I went to Home Depot at seriously 630 in the morning to rent one of those big flatbed trucks that beeps when you back it up, because they had no way of getting the big furniture out of the condo. And so I, we, the sister and brother in law met me over there. And we loaded all the big furniture and all the rest of the stuff onto the flatbed truck. They had a storage unit. And so we were you know, going to take it over there. And so finally the place was empty on on that morning. And then yeah, and that afternoon, everybody showed up, I had the carpet cleaner peskind control, the AC service guy came up. And then the deep cleaners showed up at 330. And, and that was like the end of that day they they got their job done. And then that next morning, I walked in, it was a Friday and it felt like a completely different place. There was just cleaned out and done and I was like okay, we just we can work with. So but it was it was great.

 

Debbie:

How did you find? Okay, so you're in Fort Collins? Yeah, you bought the property in the properties in Wilmington. Right. Okay. Your family is is nearby. Yeah. How did you find your realtor? How'd you find your team? How'd you find your realtor? Your contractor? How'd you your property manager hedge fund your team. So

 

Jenny:



I found the realtor on Zillow. And that was an insane struggle, because I've definitely had bad luck with finding realtors that way. But, um, you know, he I just clicked this photo and he immediately texted and then, you know, I was like, can we talk through some things, you know, I want to I want to give you some details and so called me almost immediately after that we had a great conversation and, and it just felt like he was was on board. And then also that he was the kind of person who was was going to work for us, and he was going to work well with us. And yeah, he totally was.

 

Debbie:

He was nice. Nice. Awesome. Okay, so how did you find your general contractor

 

Jenny:

of recommendation from the realtor? The realtor was kind of clutch like he he recommended the general contractor. And then he made a couple of recommendations for property managers. Yeah. And we wound up going with with one of them.

 

Debbie:

Yeah, awesome. I mean, really, a realtor is an active realtor is connected in that way like they are, they can be a really great resource. Okay, great. You get in, you start cleaning things up. What did you pay for the property?

 

Jenny:

It was 205.

 

Debbie:

And what were you budgeting for? Well, what what was your plan? Okay, so you were remodeling it to use as a long term rental? Yeah. Okay. What was your renovation plan?

 

Jenny:

So our renovation plan initially was a little bit more robust, because we thought we had a year. And so we were like, well, now now we don't. So we we reeled in some of the bigger ticket items. And we're like, okay, let's just, you know, get everything back to start. And, you know, like I mentioned, like, things like the dishwasher was needed to be replaced. The garbage disposal needed to be replaced. Like, there were a lot of things like that that had to be done. So that went from, you know, let's investigate. Moving some walls to let's not do that. And just focus on on paint and making this a good solid clean home.

 

Debbie: 

Yeah, right, like Clorox and paint. Yep, exactly. Yeah.

 

Jenny: 

It's like you saw the inside. It's yeah, that was exactly what I needed. And so initially, we were looking at, you know, a year out spending, like between 20 and 25. But that shifted rapidly to Okay, well, we have to do this now. So we're going to try to stay between five and 10. And we're really hoping not to go over 10 We wound up in the 13 to 14 range. But a lot of that was paint, because I decided to phone a friend on that one. Instead of like, you know, initially, we were thinking like, well, you know, while the painters are doing the downstairs, like, I could handle some details in the upstairs, but there was just there was too much. Like, there was no way that that was going to happen.

 

Debbie: 

Were there any weird surprises that came up? Like any repairs you had to make that you weren't planning on? Or was it pretty much just like some cosmetic

 

Jenny: 

stuff? There? Um, there were a couple of doors that had to be special ordered. Just because there were, it was, yeah, it was I and I didn't, you know, I was like, oh, I'll just go to Home Depot and buy a door. But they were really narrow. They were 20 inches. And so it's one of those sizes where it just did not. And I didn't even think about it before we had it out there. But the GC ordered one and got it before photos were shot. So that was fine. ADT, they, you know, the alarm system. So I asked probably once a week if they had figured out the code to the alarm system yet. And the answer was always no. And so when we got in there, there was no code. And so they my my realtor said, you know, well, let's, I have a contact with ADT. Let's get you hooked up. And so we got connected with with ADT, and set an install date. And I was back in Colorado by the time this happened, but so he called let me know he was in the house. And he had just accidentally tripped the alarm system. And I was like, well, that's we did that literally three times while we still it's so he after doing that he started In the process of reprogramming, and he called me 45 minutes later and was like, so all these people who don't have the code, one of them is actively interacting with the app. And I was like, what is what does that mean? Because they didn't stop anything. He was like, right, but they can see your system. So this is like, well, after like, I'm home, we clearly on the condo and, and so he said, Well, you know, there's, there's some steps that they have to go through in order to pass things over to you. And so he he gave me this whole instruction list of steps to go through which I texted to the sister. And I was like, Can you please reach out to whoever this could be? And get them to go through these steps. And then he called me. Luckily, before I had to call him back, he called me and said, You know, I just ran this by my supervisor, and the supervisor was like, do not pass go just replace the panel wholesale. So what are

 

Debbie:

we doing? Why are we right? Why is it so archaic, that we have to involve what that's just bizarre to me?

 

Jenny:

It's yeah, it's so strange. And like, I mean, the whole alarm system was like, that was kind of drama from the jump. It should that's just lunacy. It was, yeah, it was absolutely. mind boggling. And yeah, it was strange. And then after this whole drama with a key, you know, like, we couldn't get the key in the keys and county lockup with with the tenant and all this kind of stuff. Like after that, I swear, it was one moment where the realtor called me again, to tell me again, that someone else came forward with not only a key, but then another mailbox key. And I was like, this is when, like, my husband and I were on the literally walking on the beach with his parents. And I just like sat down. Like, what is this? What is happening?

 

Debbie:

When you posted in a group like that it was done. And you were like, Oh, my gosh, this project, like this property? What was that? What was that about? Was it what what were some what was what was happening there.

 

Jenny:

So a lot of it was like, Thank God, this is finished, and I got it done. I mean, I was definitely coming from a good place. Like, it was, like, We achieved this after everything that the property in the people threw at us, the GC only had to extend their deadline by three days. And that was literally, like, on our side, that was the only thing that went wrong. And I feel like, I feel like everything else, you know, well, and, and the budget increase, but we were like, this is part of our long term plan, we can we can do this, you know. And, um, so that was a lot of relief. And honestly, like, kind of pride, like I was, I was proud of myself that, you know, we pushed through, got it done. And, you know, found this epic team of people that were on our side, and helped us get it done and get the ball across the finish line, and hand it over to the property manager.

 

Debbie:

So you manage this, mostly from a distance? Right? You are home. Okay. And your GC did what they said they would do when they said they would do it. Okay. And your realtor was there helping out? How, okay, so how long did it take for you to get it all cleaned up and ready to go?

 

Jenny:

The I'm looking at my notes, I made notes about this, because I knew that question was gonna come. So the GC got in there. May 2, third ish. And then our agreement, oh, no, sorry, June 2, third ish. And then our agreement was that they would have all the work finished by June 17. Which was kind of twofold. Like the the property managers really wanted to get in in the middle of June and be able to market it and take photos and all those good things. And then also the GC was going out of town that weekend. And so it was kind of a good time peg for everything. We had to well, the doors that we had to order. Yeah, they weren't delivered until the Monday after. And so they still had to do that. And then the plumber was not really available. So he still had a little bit of work to do over that weekend, but everything was finished. By June 22,

 

Debbie:

awesome. Okay, so it's ready to go you handed over to the property manager? And did you? Do you have a tenant already?

 

Jenny:

No, but they have a few bites.

 

Debbie:

Nice. Okay. And let me ask you this, since all the rage is like, you know, doing a furnished rental, whether it's short term or midterm, what made you decide to do a long term rental and the fact that you have family in the area? Yeah, thinking you could use it right? When you go visit or whatever. What, what was the reasoning behind doing a long term? Rental?

 

Jenny:

We Well, I looked around at the other units in in the same complex, and it's absolutely full of long term rentals. And so we kind of saw that, you know, that's, that's a successful model there. And so it didn't really scare us to to get into that business. And as far as like, having family in the area and wanting to use it, you know, sometime in the future, we're definitely, you know, like I said, initially, we were going to just kind of put it to the side for a year. And so our hope now is that we can keep it as a long term rental for three or four years and kind of get that, get that going paid down, get it making a little bit of cash, and then convert it to probably mid mid term, rental. Cool. And hopefully, at some point in time, get to the point where we have like a month or two during the summer that it's just open. Yes.

 

Debbie:

Yeah. What kinds of rents? Are you looking at their? What do you think you can get?

 

Jenny:

When we initially looked at this, we were thinking 13 to 1500 a month? Our property managers listing it for 1650.

 

Debbie:

Nice. Is it a two bedroom? Or what's the makeup bedroom bath?

 

Jenny:

Two bedroom, two bath. Cool. And there are two full baths. One's upstairs, one down ones downstairs.

 

Debbie:

Nice. Nice is how the bedrooms are to. Both are up

 

Jenny:

and the bathroom was kind of between the two than a hallway. Cool. What's the square footage is between 11 and 12. Nice. It's not huge, but it's a good workable layout. And it's totally sighs

 

Debbie:

Yeah, I mean, two bedrooms, two full baths. That's awesome. Yeah. Okay, so what are you working on now? Now that that's done, what's your next plan?

 

Jenny:

So, I have connected with a realtor here in Fort Collins, who has worked with flippers and I actually just texted her earlier today about trying to find something that we could flip like here in town.

 

Debbie:

That's awesome. Yay. Anything else about your, your first, your first project that we didn't touch on?

 

Jenny:

Not really. I mean, that was I mean, there probably some details in there. Because it's felt like literally every day there was something that was driving my my realtor and myself to drink. But but it was after everything, you know, I learned a lot. And it was, it was a great that wound up being a great project. I feel like there were the transformation was a doozy. You know, outside of the fact that part of my job was moving everything out, which was completely unexpected. Right? Um, but the transformation was, was a good one. So I'm happy with it.

 

Debbie:

Awesome. You know, when when doing a flip to sell, there can be time is so important. And there's usually a lot like there's just so much emotion and so much, like so much going on. Right? Yeah, there's a lot of fear usually. Were you were you. Were you worried about stuff were you did you have some fears going into this project? Like what was going on around that?

 

Jenny:

I um I had some fears going in, you know, I'm I definitely have that personality in which, you know, I walked in the door and immediately started picking the place apart and, you know, just kind of finding too many flaws, you know, and had to knock that off. Mica kind of talks me down. He was like, No, this place is great. You know, it's got good bones, we're going to be fine, you know, and I knew that in my head, but my, my heart was like, no, no, this has got to go, you know, and all that kind of stuff. I also had a fear that it wouldn't get rented. Then it's as of today, it's been on the market for six days. And so and I know that they've had some bites, and I know that they're working on it. So I, I really feel like it's, it's gonna go soon. And I just need to let go trust the process. And you know, let that happen. That is definitely another fear.

 

Debbie:

I know. I know. I get it. Yeah, I don't know that that ever goes away. You just get better at managing it.

 

Jenny:

Yeah, it's Yeah. And I don't know, I don't know how it could because it's, it's a very real thing, you know that. You depend on that.

 

Debbie:

Right, right. Anything else? What about anything around managing the project from a distance? Like, did that go better than you expected, or kind of, as you expected, or?

Jenny:

I think, better than I expected. Because I was, that was definitely something that I had some concerns about, you know, not being able to lay eyes on it, you know, not being able to just run on over if somebody had a question, which was absolutely true when I was managing my parents renovation, you know, like, I could just, I live five minutes away from the house, so I could just jump over there. But I think I set a good expectation with the realtor who was also insanely communicative about everything leading up to that. And so I think that, that helped a lot. And, you know, he in in the contractor, we, we had a lot of conversations, the three of us before I even got out there. And so that was really helpful. And so for an end, you know, people were between the realtor, the contractor and the property management management company. Everybody was sending photos when they had a question and stuff like that. And so that that worked really, really well. And I think that if I had people in there who were not of that mind, it would have been different, like, I would have been much more worried. But they just without me even asking, they just kind of took it upon themselves to show me what they were looking at, which was super

 

Debbie:

helpful. Absolutely. I love that initiative. I love it when people just know, to just let people know what's going on. Right? Like, just send pictures. Let me know what's going on. It is nerve racking. When you're managing a project from a distance, and you don't have that communication is like oh my gosh, so I'm glad you've got a good team

 

Jenny:

there. Me to it. Absolutely. This project would have been a disaster without the team. Yeah,

 

Debbie:

absolutely. It's all about the team. It's all about the team. Well, I'm super excited for you. Yay. Congrats. That's a big deal. You did it. You did it from a distance. Like that's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else that we didn't touch on, that you wanted to touch on? Before we leave?

 

Jenny:

I don't know. I mean, I guess you know, just a final parting shout out to my my Colorado flip sisters who were sounding boards and, you know, just appropriately slack jawed when some other weird thing happened. You know, it was it was great to have them as resources as I was going through this whole thing.

 

Debbie:

Yeah, you've got some really good ones there, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're gonna get spot. Definitely. Well, thanks for hanging out with me. Thanks for sharing your story with us.

 

Jenny:

Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for asking me this is this is a good conversation.

 

Debbie:

Awesome, Jenny. Okay, have a great rest of your day. Thank you.

 

Jenny:

Thanks, you do the same. Bye, bye.

 

Debbie:

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